
Because I’m currently in school and expected to think about things I’ll be too busy to think about once I’m working in the field, I do. That’s not always a bad thing. I’ve started to envision a revised healthcare system in my spare time. I have no idea how to figure out the financing or laws governing such a thing. I just know I’m noticing stuff that could be different or better than it currently is. Over the last couple of weeks, this vision has been occupying my spare thoughts more and more. Some of the initial images in my vision are below.
Nurses are not doctors. They don’t go to medical school, they don’t get the income, respect, or ability to diagnose medical conditions (except for specific circumstances as a Nurse Practitioner). Doctor’s treat conditions. They decide someone has an infection and they prescribe various medicines to treat the cause of the infection. A surgeon may opt to remove or modify a body part to treat some disease. In every case, the medical doctor is concentrating his or her skill on combating a particular problem which is affecting the patient.
A nurse, on the other hand, doesn’t care what the central cause of the person’s illness is. This is contrary to expectations, but true. In some ways it’s much simpler than expected, and in others it’s much more complicated. We don’t treat a broken leg exactly. We treat the patient suffering from a broken leg. They need help moving. They need something to do. They have to switch positions. They have to learn how to use to the toilet. They have to be checked for proper circulation, signs of infection, skin breakdown, and a host of other things that go on (or wrong) in a body kept immobile.
If you substitute another condition for “broken leg”—like “pneumonia”—many of the same things done by a nurse would still be the same. There would be other ones that might be added or subtracted, based on the specific illness, but the overall approach is the same: care for the person with something not normal for them in mind, body, or spirit.
With those primal differences made clear, it’s still perceived as nurses doing the doctor’s bidding in many cases. The doc decides on things, and even dictates what can be done by power of the prescription or written order. The nurse might want to provide more pain relief to a patient, and have evidence to base the decision on. But the doc must be consulted to change or create a written order to allow the nurse to now administer the medication. Even if the nurse knows the medication intimately, and suggests to the doc exactly what to provide in the written order.
I can see a time in the future where that last step shouldn’t be necessary.
Doctor’s are a commodity which can be moved from the front lines and into specialties. Right now if a patient sees their primary care physician for a rash, the doc looks at it and might take a guess as to it’s cause. After some initial treatment—or sometimes immediately—the doc will refer the patient to a dermatologist or skin specialist. Same with some intestinal disorder. “Hmm, not sure, I’d like you to see the internist”.
Doctor’s don’t need to be in the role in the more heavily populated areas. Plug a Nurse Practitioner (NP) into the position, as is being done in many places, and you have happy patients and cheaper healthcare. The NP, through additional schooling and licensure, is able to write furnishings (the same thing as a prescription) for many of the more common medications needed. If the NP has any doubts or suspicions, the patient is referred to a specialist. Just like is happening now.
So, if we pull many of the docs off the front lines and instead place nurses there, we’ll have effectively the same situation at reduced cost. And this allows the more intensely schooled docs to go where that investment is better used.
There’s still a gap though. Back in that example above where the nurse has to wait for a written order for exactly what is known. What if, in addition to the change with the docs as the gatekeepers to additional healthcare specialists we also endow nurses with the ability to write written orders? I don’t think we’re being prepared for this currently in school. It might be granted to those at the Nurse Practitioner level. Or perhaps the Doctorate of Nursing Practice (DNP) which is just now becoming a reality.
Doesn’t it make sense to streamline the system to allow people to do things better and more effectively than they already do? As long as the safety of the patient is kept central to the process in moving forward, I don’t see how a modified system couldn’t be more useful for everyone.

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April 4, 2007 at 5:01 pm
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April 5, 2007 at 9:27 am
beth
In the ICU where I work we use what are known as “protocols.” These are specific guidelines so that a nurse can use data to initiate an intervention that would otherwise require an MD order. For example, by protocol, I check my patient’s K level Q12 hours. If K
April 5, 2007 at 9:40 am
Markie
Beth,
Your comment is incomplete for some reason, but I think I get the gist.
I’ve been told there are protocols in some of the higher-acuity and time sensitive areas such as ICU and ED, but I don’t know how extensive they are. It seems like extending that to other departments would be a good thing.
April 5, 2007 at 2:43 pm
girlvet
Mark – I absolutely love your comments. I have been a nurse for 22 years and I agree with everything you said. It is refreshing to see that someone that is coming into nursing is thinking in these terms. It gives me hope for the future.
I wrote a very similar blog entry on March 26, 2007 and I invite you to read it.
April 5, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Markie
Girlvet,
I’ll have a look now at your mentioned post.
Thanks for visiting!
April 6, 2007 at 8:06 am
Michelle
I think you are right, nurses should have expanded roles. I agree that the NP role is key. NP have various roles within the health care system. At this point Nurse Practioners are even specializing in Trauma care for the ED. Interesting thoughts though in your blog.
~m
April 6, 2007 at 10:25 am
Liana
“Right now if a patient sees their primary care physician for a rash, the doc looks at it and might take a guess as to it’s cause. After some initial treatment—or sometimes immediately—the doc will refer the patient to a dermatologist or skin specialist. Same with some intestinal disorder. “Hmm, not sure, I’d like you to see the internist”.”
I think you have a lot of good ideas in your post. I do agree that there should be an expanded role for nurse practitioners (one of my best friends has just completed the NP program in Halifax).
I disagree that the role of a primary care physician can be boiled down to “See patient A, refer, have a cup of coffee!” and that primary care docs can simply be replaced by NPs. Part of my objection may stem from differences between the U.S. and Canadian health care system, but I think there is still a role for GPs. If I remember correctly, I read some stats from Ontario recently that found NPs could handle 80% of what primary care physicians normally do. I’d like to see NPs handling that 80% so that primary care docs can spend more time managing the other 20%… rather than rushing through the 80% and then not having enough time for the 20%. If that makes any sense.
But then again, I consider family medicine a specialty in own right, so I guess I am actually agreeing that doctors should be moved from the front lines to specialties.
April 6, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Markie
Michelle,
I like your comment about the specialization even within the NP role, to better serve the needed population. I hadn’t realized such things as trauma NP existed at this point.
Liana,
Good points. I didn’t mean to imply that NPs would completely replace MDs. In cases where there are higher density populations, places that could support a multi-tiered approach, I think it would work somewhat like I describe.
But in more rural areas, it would be necessary to have more expertise right up front in some cases.
I think we agree, that the investment in the MD should be put where it’s most beneficial. I have no real idea how to make any of this a reality.
April 7, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Labor Nurse
I hope the AMA doesn’t come across your blog because they might try to eliminate your blog. Much like they are trying to eliminate the roles that NP’s and other advanced practice nurses have in our health care system. But I digress…
(If anyone is interested about what I hint at google “Scope of Practice Partnership” and “AMA’s Resolution 814″. Another great read on it is this site: http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/24/12/01.html)
I like how you articulated the differences between MD care and RN care. But there is a need for both. We could definately utilize APRN’s more to help make health care more cost efficient but we couldn’t do it with MD’s. It’s nice to see a student contemplating our health care system and the role of nurses. You say you won’t have time for it once you become a nurse, but I would bet that you give it even more time once you are in “the trenches”.
April 7, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Markie
LN,
I’ll have a look to see what some of your cryptic remarks are hinting at.
In case it isn’t clear above, I do think that both MD and RN care is needed — they’re just not the same thing.
I’m hoping I continue to stay up on research, and timely topics once working. I just know it will be difficult to continue consistently.
Thanks for the comments!
February 29, 2008 at 11:38 am
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April 20, 2009 at 7:48 am
Peter j. Levin
I read some stats from Ontario recently that found NPs could handle 80% of what primary care physicians normally do. I’d like to see NPs handling that 80% so that primary care docs can spend more time managing the other 20%… rather than rushing through the 80% and then not having enough time for the 20%. If that makes any sense.
Can you refer me to the actual source for this?
April 24, 2009 at 7:57 am
Markie
Peter – Good question. I didn’t dig deeper on that comment by Liana. I’m curious as to the source and data too.
August 4, 2009 at 5:24 pm
K. Watson
I think you should look at your title. Nurses are not Doctors. Nurses are not trained to diagnose patients and therefore should not write orders without a physician first diagnosing the patient. Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants also should practice under the supervision of a doctor. A doctor spends much longer in school to ensure that certain conditions are diagnosed appropriately and that patient care is not compromised.